
A community of kin: it’s something that we need, we crave, and that our survival depends on.
If you’re not sure what that is or how to build it, rest easy. You’re in good hands! In episode 93 of the Unruly Podcast Calen sits down with Sophie Lucido Johnson, the multi-talented author of Kin: The Future of Family.
Amidst skyrocketing isolation and anxiety, our guest presents an antidote: consciously creating kin, a warm network of support that holds us while also allowing us to do the holding. This concept scraps the failed promises of the nuclear family and paves the way for a better future.
Sophie also shares her wisdom on anti-aging culture, why hanging out with kids is good for us (even when it’s hard), and what valuable lessons humans can learn from birds. Tune in to learn how to better navigate complex relationships, reject the notion that aging is wrong, and be held as we grieve the little dreams that died along the path that landed us right where we are.
Shownotes:
- Watch the free video interview
- Connect With Sophie
- 2026 Peruvian Amazon Trip
- Sign up for Unruly Group trip email alerts
Additional Resources:
- How To Survive A Family Road Trip (And Enjoy It!)
- The Ultimate Savasana: Dying & Deathwork with Scott Kirschenbaum
- Queer Joy, Blossoming, And Becoming: Celebrating Queer Country Pride

